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Post by jrvanosten on Aug 22, 2006 15:26:15 GMT -5
Ok, I don't want anyone to read things into this...this is a question that I am asking on my behalf. I have this talk with other racers when I compare the ANRA to other organizations (IE. CIFCA, SUPER E, SCEDA, ETC)
You can give your 2 cents here, but please place a vote also ;D
Thanks
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Post by dmoseley on Aug 23, 2006 9:54:00 GMT -5
Can you explain this just a Lil better??? What are you asking for us to vote on?
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Post by jrvanosten on Aug 23, 2006 10:02:04 GMT -5
Bottom line...if you knew that all the extra funds that you put towards entry fees went right back into the payout pot, would you be willing to pay more for a chance at a bigger payout?
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Post by bvacca on Aug 23, 2006 12:21:51 GMT -5
If I read this right, larger entry fees = bigger payouts.
Several ways to look at this. Bigger payouts will attract more race cars and fans, a good thing but for guys like myself who may never step into the winners circle, larger entry fees will just add to the expense of the weekend however it wouldn't stop me from participating.
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Post by jrvanosten on Aug 23, 2006 18:01:28 GMT -5
If anyone would like to discuss this offline, email me at:
jr@anra.com
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Post by dmoseley on Aug 25, 2006 11:24:03 GMT -5
Well I just have this to say.. When the Assoc. was brought back by Mr. Headrick, It was designed with the FAMILY in mind. You won't get rich with ANRA, But you will have alot of fun...Now you guys want to start raising the entries. etc. So you can have BIGGER payouts. Come on, What happened to the family side of this.
With the rising costs of fuel, Both for the car and the pull truck, It makes it hard enough for a guy to come out on a weekend and have a little fun, plus trying to bring the family. You know as well as I do, There is only a few that ever reach the podium. and its usually the same people. Yes' My car has won its share of races, And I wouldn't take my payout 1/2 the time. Cause "IT WAS FOR FUN" Lets keep it that way.
If Butch can make deals with other tracks locally. And since quite a few people are disgruntled with Berrnie and the condition of his track. Maybe it might be smart to shut it down till next year. And give Mr.Headrick a chance to talk to the other tracks and Sponsors . Keep the high cost of racing out of it....
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Post by skip on Aug 25, 2006 11:53:25 GMT -5
I agree with Dick!! I'm not doing this for the money and neither are most of the guys I talk to. I'd be just as happy with just getting a trophy, especially the bigger ones this year. If ANRA does decide to raise the entry fees however, let's make sure that Butch doesn't have to come "OUT OF POCKET" to give us a place to race. If he calls it quits then what have we got? Just my 2 cents worth. Skip Spence Spence Family Racing www.spencefamilyracing.com |
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Post by Gino Ofria on Aug 25, 2006 12:07:14 GMT -5
I think I am with Mr. Mosley on this one. We enjoy the "low stress" enviorment that comes with the ANRA.
Using the GG as a model, look at all the negative politics that goes on there, (i.e. the electronics timers, modified bodies, etc.). This is not the awnser to the question.
In my conversations with other racers, the biggest limiting factor that the ANRA has is location. An example would be Jim Suydam, the gentlemen with the Tempest making Lic. passes. It took a lot of coaxing to get him to go to Palmdale, and after last Sat. his comment to me was, "Never again."
This is not a fault of ANRA, you do what you can with what you have. Your supporters know this and will still hang in with you. We have always given our feedback directly to Butch, but to awnser this question in the public forum goes like this. Raising the entry fees and payouts will bring new racers on to the scene. But it will take away or at least limit the racers you see now.
Money=politics and headaches for everyone involved.
Gino Ofria
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Post by vegachace on Aug 25, 2006 17:44:25 GMT -5
Heres another opinion! I know there just like ___holes everybody has one. I'm for keeping it the same as it is now. With not knowing where we are going to race next year or how much we will have to pay to play, keep it the same.
Glen
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Post by LIL NEWT on Aug 26, 2006 18:45:59 GMT -5
I like Dick and Gino`s thinking. We need more tracks. I know I haven`t been out with my dragster this year,{because of money} but my son made it with the Nova, and will be at the next race also. I don`t think raising the ENTRY FEE & PRIZE MONEY is the answer. Palmdale is the deterant. I race there because I like to race. Money is not going to bring in anymore racers. I know we are short on tracks here in SO. CAL., but maybe "The STRIP" SPEEDWORLD??? JUST A THOUGHT. Newt out.
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Post by dmoseley on Aug 28, 2006 0:05:52 GMT -5
It looks like we all agree one ONE thing. Palmdirt is the culprit as far as the low turn outs are concerned. Either someone has to twist Bernies ear and let him know why people don't want to go to his S___ Hole and race. Or just move to another track. And right now there are not many available.. I would still like to see more people that are involved with ANRA to post their Ideas...Dlck...
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Post by Eric on Aug 28, 2006 17:36:26 GMT -5
I've been racing at LACR for a number of years now and have never seen the conditions as bad as we have had to deal with this year. The problem isn't the preparation of the track , the problem is the excavating of sand and gravel next to the track . Once the Southwest winds start it just covers the track with sand and creates the problems we have seen all year . It won't get any better either guys . If you're lucky and you're there when there is no wind or a Norhtern wind blowing then it's OK - I can count on one hand how many days in the last 6 years i've been there with those conditions! Unfortunately it directly affects all of us - Racers - ANRA - LACR-Spectators ...everyone . We need another track to run at in the near future as LACR will probably be closed by February . Hopefully a new track will become reality in Palmdale but we can't rely on that until it happens . It's a no win situation as I see it right now . I want to race but don't want to deal with the conditions there as they are now. I would gladly pay a little more to run at a different track that has better conditions to compensate for higher track costs - bigger payout not necessary .
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Post by Amado on Aug 28, 2006 19:16:02 GMT -5
The quick answer is no. We were willing to take our chances with the windy conditions and sand at LACR prior to the full scale excavaton that is going on now. However, the current scene at LACR has nearly pushed me over the edge. I thank Bernie and Butch for providing a venue to race. Bigger payout at LACR: no.
Maciel SpeedSport
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Post by jrvanosten on Aug 29, 2006 10:00:35 GMT -5
I really need to make it clear that I am asking this as a gauge of the the racing community...not ANRA specifically. I'd like to know the line that separates the fun from the stress. I look at the other groups that charge $100 and up for a one day event for one class and I wonder how they can pull that off. I was only asking what you guys thought...it is not an idea that Butch has made any indication on going with. This was strictly me asking.....so don't worry about any changes in ANRA for now. Like I say, it just seems that some groups are charging larger entrys and promising the world in return for a one day event....just kinds of concerns me in regards to the shelf life of organizations compared to club racing.
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Post by Max Blast on Aug 29, 2006 13:08:51 GMT -5
NO, by the way did I mention NO!
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